Tuesday, March 3, 2009, at 12 noon, U.S. Eastern time

The nonprofit work force has never been more competitive: Just as the financial crisis scuttles retirement plans of many older nonprofit workers, it's also leading many corporate executives to seek jobs at nonprofit organizations.

Young nonprofit employees who had hoped to assume leadership roles at their organizations are wondering what this means for them -- and trying to determine how they can move forward with their careers.

How can young nonprofit employees move up the ladder during tough economic times? How can they assert themselves as leaders in their organizations? What resources exist to help young workers develop?

Join a panel of young nonprofit workers for a discussion that will answer those and other questions.

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The Guests

Rosetta Thurman is director of development and special programs at the Nonprofit Roundtable of Greater Washington, where she also directs the Future Executive Directors Fellowship. Ms. Thurman is an adjunct professor at Trinity Washington University, and the author of Perspectives From the Pipeline, a blog focused on young nonprofit managers.

Allison Jones is director of development and marketing at St. James Elementary School in New York and the author of Entry Level Living, a blog that chronicles her experiences as a young nonprofit professional living in a big city. She is also co-founder of OnlyUp.org, a nonprofit group that helps young people promote social change. A transcript of the chat follows.

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    Hello everyone. Welcome to today's live discussion, which will focus on the concerns of young professionals in the nonprofit world. For the next hour, two prominent young professionals -- Rosetta Thurman and Allison Jones -- will take your questions on topics such as managing your career, leadership, and making a difference.

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    The discussion is text-based -- so there is no need to dial in for audio. To ask a question or post a comment, simply click on the "ask a question" link on this page and type away. I'll make sure your questions get directed to the right guest and that your comments are added to the conversation. Following along is easy -- this page will refresh every minute with the latest questions and answers.

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    With that, let's get started ...

Rosetta Thurman:
    Hi everyone, welcome to the chat and thanks to the Chronicle of Philanthropy for making the space for us to have a discussion about the issues concerning young nonprofit professionals. I'm an emerging nonprofit leader of color living & working in Washington, DC. On my blog at www.rosettathurman.com, I share commentary, career advice, resources and ideas about nonprofits and leadership to inspire others in their work. I'm a writer, fundraising professional, leadership development consultant, and an adjunct professor at Trinity University in DC. I invite you to do more than just ask questions & view the answers here - if you have suggestions to share, we'll try to post those in the chat as well!

Question from Lynn Peters:
    What kinds of entry level nonprofit jobs are out there? Also what sort of positions should someone with a background in event planning and education look for in a nonprofit?

Rosetta Thurman:
    Some common entry level jobs in the nonprofit sector include: administrative assistant, communications associate, program assistant, membership associate, program coordinator, development associate. A good fit for someone with experience in event planning & education might be a membership associate at a nonprofit association, like ASAE or Independent Sector, supporting their membership and helping to plan their events and conferences during the year.

Allison Jones:
    Greetings everyone! I am excited to be part of this discussion. I'm the director of development and marketing for a Catholic School in New York city. I chronicle my experiences a young nonprofit professional on my blog Entry Level Living (entrylevelliving.wordpress.com) and share tips and trick for other non profit newbies. I am also one of the founding members of Onlyup.org, a startup that helps young people explore and nonprofits expand opportunities for social change. Welcome!

Question from Jessica, small nonprofit:
    I would like some tips for staying focused and positive. I am in charge of fundraising and it is difficult for me to stay motivated and focused recently.

Rosetta Thurman:
    I know exactly what you mean! Times are so tough for all fundraisers in this economy. What I've started doing and what many of my fundraising colleagues do is to try to reconnect more deeply with the work of the organization by volunteering or speaking to some of your clients or members. It refreshes your purpose for being involved in that cause, and you can get some really good stories to tell to your prospective donors and funders!

Question from Erin, foundation:
    What are the most productive resources or opportunities to connect with others that are in similar roles at other foundations or non profits, for sharing the professional "best practices"? Are those the same resources that are helpful when trying to further your personal and professional development.

Allison Jones:
    There are plenty of membership based organizations for nonprofit employees in specific roles, like Association of Fundraising Professionals. I would also recommend harnessing social media by joining groups online and attending (or even planning!) meetup for face to face exchanges. LinkedIn.com has plenty of groups and is a great place to start.

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    The Chronicle has a very active LinkedIn group with nearly 1,000 members from the nonprofit world. The venue is a great place for folks to share ideas, participate in discussions, and to network. Soon, we'll be offering some of our top job postings and career-related resources to members of that group.

Comment from Lynn Peters:
    Can we have a link to the Chronicle's linkinIN group?

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    Sure. Here it is: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1188667&trk=hb_side_g

Question from Marc A. Pitman, FundraisingCoach.com:
    In times like these, it seems younger professionals are often given leadership responsibilities and even a new title. But salaries seem to stay the same.

Do you have tips on how to tactfully remind supervisors that as your responsibilities increase, so does your worth to the organization. A worth you're grateful to have acknowledged by your new title, but one you'd like to see reflected in your salary as well?

Allison Jones:
    Asking for more money is always difficult as you are never sure of how much to ask for--especially when your supervisor may not make as much. However I would make sure you have a great track record to demonstrate the need for the raise, explore different options of compensation (like flexible hours), and if it is really crunch always consider other options for employment.

Comment from Nicole, Minneapolis Nonprofit:
    For Erin - if your area has a chapter of YNPN (Young Nonprofit Professionals Network) that is a great resource for meeting other young people in the sector and building your network.

www.ynpn.org

Question from Nonprofit Newbie, Upenn:
    I have been creating new projects and ideas to fulfill my own needs for a challenge at my nonprofit job. However, though I have been here for less than a year, I have considered other jobs. I am wondering if I should stick out my current job and make the most out of it. A colleague in the same department has encouraged me to "breathe life into the organization." However, sometimes I feel that I should look for a more challenging leadership position. I see potential here, but it will have to completely come from self motivation, not from the organization or my supervisor.

Rosetta Thurman:
    Unfortunately, at many nonprofits, you will have to rely on your own self-motivation, and that's not necessarily a bad thing! First I would suggest that you definitely try to stay at your current job for at least a year if your only issue is that you need more of a challenge. It may be time to start looking OUTSIDE your organization to fulfill that need. Maybe it's time for you to join a Board of Directors? Board membership and leadership can bring credibility to your reputation as a leader as well as give you valuable skills you are not getting right now at your current nonprofit job. Think about the skills you would bring to a nonprofit board, perhaps one smaller than yours. Could you help lead a fundraising committee or serve as a Treasurer? Sign up for accounts at boardnetUSA.org and Idealist.org to find volunteer board opportunities.

Question from Nicole, Minneapolis Nonprofit:
    As a young nonprofit professional with about 9 years experience, but no bachelors degree, do you have any suggestions on how to move around in this job market?

I have been with my current organization for 3+ years as a Program Director, made great strides to improve and expand my program and feel I've exhausted all my opportunities to continue moving forward. With the ED as my boss, there is literally no where to move "up" here, but I am finding it difficult to translate my experience and success to possible other orgs without a BA, which is increasingly a MANDATORY requirement for most positions here in MN's great nonprofit sector.

I already sit on a board of directors and have a great number of ongoing volunteer experiences also. My network grows daily, but I'm wondering if you have any advice that would help me to be more marketable?

Allison Jones:
    Firstly, you should be working those contacts in your network! People are more likely to hire those who come personally recommended so you should tap into that. Additionally, still apply for those jobs and if you find you keep hitting a wall, explore the possibility of getting a MA. To make yourself more marketable highlight your accomplishments, not your duties, and put your education at the bottom of your resume--experience and achievements should always come first.

Question from Vanessa, AmeriCorps VISTA:
    My service assignment with AmeriCorps is with a really small nonprofit. (It's so small that we don't have a permanent office yet!) How do I leverage some of the lack of structure into learning opportunities?

Allison Jones:
    Partnerships, partnerships, partnerships! Are there other organizations you could work with on specific projects? Leverage their resources to boost your programming.

Question from Jesse R., jobseeker:
    How relevant are online job boards and submitting your resume online becoming given the increased demand for employment?

Rosetta Thurman:
    Word of mouth is still king in the nonprofit sector for finding jobs. Remember that most jobs are not even advertised online, you find out by knowing someone. Many of my fundraising colleagues found their new jobs because one of their peers told them they were leaving and recommended them for the position. That said, job boards like Idealist.org are still good places to look, especially for entry level positions. The best thing is to cover all your bases if you're looking for a new job - submit your resume online, scour the listings every day, go to networking events & conferences for nonprofit professionals in your city. Don't be afraid to check out the websites of the organizations you want to work for - their openings may only be posted there directly.

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    We also post job listings on this site. The URL is http://philanthropy.com/jobs. We also provide quite a bit of advice to job seekers and those who are looking to stand out in their current positions.

Comment from Naomi C. Leapheart:
    @ Nonprofit Newbie:

I'm in Philadelphia, and can connect you to some great opportunities that might give you the challenge you seek. Check out Philadelphia's Young Nonprofit Leaders at www.pynl.org. I'm the board president and Outreach Committee chair, and my contact information is there.

Naomi

Cheers!

Question from Melanie Lund, Saint Paul Area Council of Churches:
    In the Minnesota Council on Foundations winter newsletter, one article mentioned that engaging emerging leaders is an important strategy during this challenging time. As an emerging leader, that's great to hear, but honestly also a little intimidating. What suggestions do you have to help me and others like me move beyond suggesting ideas to leadership and actually getting involved in making those ideas happen?

Allison Jones:
    This may seem corny but I recommend sitting people down and discussing what younger and older employees expect of each other. From there, craft a program (or several programs) that require working together. For example, mentoring is a major issue with many emerging leaders. I would start by developing a mentoring program that is based on the needs and capabilities of the staff.

Question from Naomi C. Leapheart, newly minted consultant and nonprofit manager:
    Hi Ladies!

Nice to see you two here!

As young nonprofit leaders who engage in independent consulting, what helped you mitigate your youth (which is STILL sadly seen as a liability) to attract (paying) clients and brand yourselves as experts? I struggle with that -- I know some of that struggle is due to my own inhibitions, but are there practical, concrete things you did that helped you get published quicker, fill up your calendars with speaking engagements, etc.?

Thanks Rosetta and Allison! Glad to know you!

Allison Jones:
    I volunteer my services and ask those people to write me letters of recommendation or be a general partner in return. The trick is putting yourself out there. Go onto idealist.org and see if there are any volunteer blogging opportunities, for example and offer to help. Thats what I did and the results have been wonderful.

Question from Frank McKay, Riverside Military Academy:
    Young professionals often work with colleagues and prospects who are older (sometimes much older) than they are. What are some tips you have for young non-profiteers wishing to gain the confidence and trust of these more senior co-workers, volunteers, and donors?

Allison Jones:
    Be clear on the purpose and mission, know what you are talking about, and offer to help. Additionally, read the local newspaper to participate in office conversations, offer to have lunch, and ask people about themselves. People will trust you if you show a genuine interest in them and in the organization.

Comment from Lynn Peters:
    In Response to Naomi C. Leapheart Newbie's in Philly, Are there any groups for those of us looking to get into the industry in nyc? I'm very involved in several Professional Organizations and have yet to see any real opportunity to work at any nonprofits from being part of one (member of AHA, Charity Water, and W girls)

Comment from Regina Mahone, Foundation Center:
    @ Job Seeker: We also post job listings of full-time job openings on Philanthropy News Digest. The URL is http://foundationcenter.org/pnd/jobs/

Question from Anh Tran, NAVASA Project Director:
    I currently direct an AmeriCorps program focused on developing leaders in the Vietnamese American nonprofit community. What free or low cost resources can these members tap into for professional development? Most conferences and in-person trainings are too expensive.

Allison Jones:
    Local colleges and universities are the best place to start. Lectures and school sponsored events are usually inexpensive or free and allow you to learn and network with others. I also recommend joining a chapter of the Young Non-Profit Professionals Network if there is one in your area--they offer and share great events and opportunities as well.

Question from Jen, medium non-profit:
    I have applied for a promotion internally. With all of the layoffs around the country overqualified applicants are coming out of the woodwork. I am significantly younger than anyone else at the level the promotion would take me to but have the relevant experience that would make me a strong candidate. How can I position myself as the front runner for this role?

Rosetta Thurman:
    The main strength that you have right now when applying internally is that you know the organization and have proven yourself thus far. In your interviews, it will important not only to highlight your past accomplishments (this is the time to brag and try to quantify how much $$$, attention, impact you have brought to the organization)but to also outline how you would address the organization's challenges GOING FORWARD, especially in this new economy. I suggest preparing a concise "First 100 Days" document to attach to the rest of your applications materials to show that you have thought about what you would do in you first 3 months of that new role. Show them you have a clear leadership plan that can take your nonprofit to the next level.

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    We're about halfway through today's live discussion and I'd like to take this opportunity to issue a gentle reminder that we invite your questions and comments. To post a question to one of our guests -- or to share your thoughts on any of the topics we've addressed thus far -- please click on the "ask a question" link on this page and type away. Thanks.

Question from Eager Fundraiser:
    What initiatives are currently being implemented to address the "transfer of leadership of the baby-boomer generation" that we all keep hearing about? Does anyone know what is happening to address this issue?

Rosetta Thurman:
    The Nonprofit Workforce Coalition has brought together a number of organizations to work on this issue: http://www.humanics.org/site/c.omL2KiN4LvH/b.
1537159/k.3F31/Nonprofit_Workforce_Coalition.htm

Question from Alyssa, non-profit social services:
    What are your thoughts on education? I have a BA in Comparative religion and work as an event coordinator in a social serivices agency. I want to eventually open a place - a sort of social entreneurship project and am not sure whether to focus on business school, social services, or just experience. What I want to do would call for all three. How important is a degree in something like non-profit management to moving up in my career?

Allison Jones:
    Creators of organizations wear many hats--almost too many! While I dont think a degree is necessary, combining some sort of certificate program with concrete leadership experiences and a great group of mentors and advisors will help you make good choices.

Question from Becky, medium-sized nonprofit:
    Do you have any suggestions for proving I am ready for a move up the ladder? I feel like I am at the end of the entry-level portion of my career (I've been at it for about three years now), and even after great performance reviews am having difficulty standing out as "manager" material.

Rosetta Thurman:
    Sometimes it takes more than just doing your job and doing it well to move up the nonprofit ladder. You really need to be perceived as adding value to the organization in terms of managing key projects, helping to meet fundraising goals, etc. One piece of advice one of my mentors gave me early on is that you should also prepare a document to go along with your formal performance review to let your supervisors know what your contributions have been. They typically don't keep up with all the great things you do!

Question from John Carter, SMYAL:
    How does a young development professional sustain a healthy career track in fundraising when the industry is faced with many challenges of the economy?

Allison Jones:
    During this time, showing innovation and resourcefulness is key. I suggest reaching out to other organizations to combine resources for existing or new projects to cut down on cost while building strong relationships. Just make sure that everything you do is deliberate and well thought out so you can have new and impressive successes to share!

Question from Craig, student:
    As a future nonprofit professional, I am convinced the best attitude to have when I will begin my job search is to move, geographically, where ever the job is. Is this a smart idea, especially in this economy? Any tips for relocation?

Allison Jones:
    When planning a move it is important to consider not only the job but also the location. Is there an active professionals network? Are organizations thriving in that area? Will your salary meet the cost of living?

As for tips, try landing a job first before moving as you dont want a crisis situation of living in a place without a job! Also, see if your employee will cover some of the costs, and I believe, though I am not certain, moving is tax deductible. You should look into that.

Question from Jeanne, large nonprofit:
    I work for a nonprofit that has been around for decades and is stuck thinking "this is the way it has always been done." Being the youngest on the team, I feel as though people don't take me seriously when I mention new ideas or question "the way it's always been done." How do I get people to start listening? (Some at my organization have been there 30+ years and I'm trying to broaden our online reach.)

Rosetta Thurman:
    I was feeling the same way you are when I decided to start my blog in 2007. It's important to speak up about your cause and show your expertise. Once other people validate you, then others start listening. No matter what your age, people respect an expert. And with today's technology, you don't have to read the whole library of books on youth development or homeless populations or free clinics. You can pick and choose bits of information to take in to help build your expertise on your field. It will show your commitment to the cause and they will begin to respect you a lot more.

You also might seek out a mentor to help you connect with your older colleagues.

Question from Melanie Lund, Saint Paul Area Council of Churches:
    If you had to isolate the ONE decision you have made that has been most critical to your career/life this far, what would it be?

Allison Jones:
    Wow what a great question. I would have to say starting my blog. Many of the opportunities I have had have come through my blog or I was able to use my blog as an example of my work. Not to mention I have expanded my network and have met some amazing people.

Question from Chelsea, small national nonprofit:
    Rosetta, I have been following your blog for the last year or so, and you talk a lot about leading from the middle. I have been very inspired, but have had trouble figuring out what this looks like, especially when it may not be recognized by others. Do you or Allison have any advice?

Rosetta Thurman:
    Don't make it more complicated than it is. All you need to do to lead is to speak up with your ideas, and then make sure you can carry them out. What I've found is that my older colleagues will initially be against an idea from younger workers until their idea is proven. One of my friends wanted to create a Facebook page for her nonprofit. No one gave her permission, she just did it. Once the organization received their first donation through Facebook, they dubbed her the "social media expert"! But don't do it to be recognized by others, do it because you think it's the right thing to do and that will come eventually.

Question from Kevin Benson. Children's Hospital:
    What is some of the best "evidence" you've seen to help convince upper-level management that it's time to start investing and building infrastructure for social media and Web 2.0? I feel like I'm hearing a lot of "Well, our website is pretty good, what else is there?" Ideas?

Allison Jones:
    Always present examples of how other organizations are using social media and doing well. NetSqaured has a great article on this and examples http://www.netsquared.org/blog/lnorvig/nonprofits-using-social-media-successfully

Question from Nicole, Minneapolis Nonprofit:
    How did either of you decide how to "brand" your professional blogs? Did you spend a lot of time brainstorming a niche?

Do you have any advice on where to start for other young leaders interested in sharing thier knowledge?

Allison Jones:
    It happened over time. I knew I wanted to talk about my experiences as a "nonprofit newbie" living in a big city and trying to figure out what it all meant. Reading other blogs and connecting with people on and offline pushed me to refine my topic a bit.

For those getting started, reflect on WHY you want to blog: become and expert in the field? Increase internet rankings? Connect with others? Answering this question will help you figure out what you want to blog about and how you will go about marketing/branding yourself.

Question from Mary Jacobs:
    As more and more former corporate workers and ex-government employees make a transition in the not-for-profit sector, how can a young nonprofit professional position my skills and experience given these challenges?

Rosetta Thurman:
    As a young nonprofit professional, you really have unique skills that those from the business or government sector may not have. Play them up! Do you already know how to fundraise? If not, learn! This is the single most valuable skill a young nonprofit worker can have. Also highlight: advanced education, mastery of social media and new technology with the potential to obtain more donations, more volunteers, and more press attracted to our nonprofits. Brag about what makes YOU unique, instead of trying to compete on the level of the older employees.

Question from Erica, small nonprofit:
    I am the development director at a small nonprofit where I am a generalist responsible for all areas of development and PR. I am thinking ahead to the next move in my career -- would it look like a step backwards if I were to go to a much larger nonprofit as a specialist (grant writing for example), or should I aim for another director position at a larger nonprofit?

Allison Jones:
    I would argue that accomplishments matter more than titles. As long as your accomplishments improve as you move further along in your career, dont sweat it.

Question from Meghan, small non-profit:
    While I was making a decision about whether to get a graduate degree, I was seeing a trend of many up and coming non-profit CEOs coming into positions with MBAs. Because of this, I chose an Executive MBA program that allows me to continue working work full-time. I am 1/3 of the way through the program and starting to feel a little shaky about how much debt I have taken on. There is nowhere to go up from my position of Vice President for Development and Public Relations other than CEO and in order to pay off the impending loans, I will need an increase in salary. Do you have any suggestions on how I can continue to gain experience in the non-profit realm (I'm 28) without feeling like I have to leap right to a CEO role (which I'm not necessarily qualified for) when I'm done with school next June?

Rosetta Thurman:
    I would encourage you to rethink your assumption that you're "not necessarily qualified" for a CEO position. Many nonprofit CEOs come into their roles with no prior nonprofit experience whatsoever. With an MBA and fundraising experience, you could be a good candidate for a CEO of a small-mid sized local nonprofit in your area. Put your name out there and put your feelers out for a few of the open CEO jobs and you might be surprised with the response!

Question from Ann Marie, graduate student:
    Have you seen ways in which young leaders can advocate for internal institutional change and growth, especially in terms of technology and green practices? I have always through that a great model from the for profit world in what is known as "intrapreneurism"? How can young leaders make this happen, despite limited resources?

Allison Jones:
    Small concrete steps, collaborations with other organizations, and a willingness to do much of the work themselves! In my experience convincing is easy once other organizations do it and do it well so present some examples and be bold! Sometimes subtle hints arent going to get the job done.

Question from Kathy, Boys & Girls Clubs:
    What experiences are essential to obtain in order to become a Director of Development?

Rosetta Thurman:
    You absolutely must be a good writer. If you can write a grant proposal, you already have a good chance of at least getting your foot in the door as a grant writer or development associate. To get to the director level, you need to have experience with annual planning, and your program planning could translate here.

Question from Alina, CNPE Louisville:
    I often find myself as an intermediate between older and younger nonprofit employees, sometimes its kind of like being a gatekeeper. What advice do you have for those of us in mid-career, Gen-Xers, who have the experience and status in the sector for helping younger staff members contribute and be noticed as valueable?

Allison Jones:
    Mentor! Sit down with younger employees and ask them what they notice that could use some change in the office, pick one that is viable, and guide them in bringing about that change. Talk-up a younger employee in your meetings with older employees and invite them along when you go to meetings/events if possible.

Question from Antonia, Development Associate, Small Non-Profit:
    I see that names of network and associations are being mentioned, such as YNPN and AFP. Are there any other networks that might be beneficial for young non-profit professionals to join, especially for those who want to transition into a more demanding position or consultancy work/freelance?

Rosetta Thurman:
    Don't limit yourself to just the main nonprofit networks, I also participate in my local Board of Trade, the Organizational Development Network (www.odnetwork.org, National Black MBAs, to make other contacts that might help me in the future.

Question from Alexia Harris, Project Learn of Summit County:
    Hello,

I am a 23-year-old community and public relations manager for a literacy organization in Ohio. How do I gain respect among my peers and in the local community considering I'm so young and hold a big title?

Rosetta Thurman:
    This is the dilemma of being invisible! You will not get respect unless you are seen. Put your voice and name out there in print, and people will respect you for it. Write an op-eds or atart a blog to allow you to speak up about a cause you care about to a large audience that can end up helping to move your issue forward and improve your reputation at the same time. Your reputation as a leader will soar once people see that you aren't hesitant to say what needs to be said. Visit the Op-Ed Project (www.opedproject.org) to learn how to write one.

Question from Jamie Helsen, United Way of the Lakeshore (MI):
    I'm 4 years out of an MPA program and living in an area of 15% unemployment. I'm doing a year of service w/AmeriCorps for experience and to keep my head financially above water.

My actual question is how do I set myself a part from others in an environment that gets literally hundreds of applicants for administrative assistants and similar positions(as ours did)? We tossed dozens of applicants with master's degrees, years of experience, and so on. If I had applied for this job, I know I wouldn't have made it to the interview stage. Terrifying!

Allison Jones:
    Start something. Creating a program on your own is a great way to demonstrate that you are a self starter and resourceful. It doesn't have to be a nonprofit--volunteering to create a program at a local organization is a great place to start.

Question from Wendy sherman, recently laid off from major non-profit:
    I will assume some non-profits will still be hiring. Will they be more tempted to hire thosse from the corporate world? And whaqt is the best way to reach hiring managers?

Rosetta Thurman:
    I have found LOTS of hiring managers and search consultants on Linkedin.com. Contact them directly and let them know you're looking if they have anything that might be a fit with your experience and qualifications.

Comment from Elizabeth Clawson, National Council of Nonprofits:
    Comment re: Alina's question about acting as a go-between for younger and older co-workers--the National Council of Nonprofits published a hands-on workbook to improving leadership among all generations. More info: http://www.nonprofitcongress.org/?q=leadership#workwithme

Question from Ocean Grand:
    @scottringo You say people should not start new nonprofits... isn't it about time for the younger generations to either take the helm or start nonprofits of their own? By starting their own we may find there is better ways of doing nonprofit business.

Rosetta Thurman:
    In this economy, I would not recommend anyone start their own nonprofit. The money is just not there. Bring your innovation to existing nonprofits who need it!

Comment from Jamie Helsen, United Way of the Lakeshore (MI):
    Allison-

Response to your response: That is the one real goal I have for my year here: To start a youth united program/board to get high school and young college youth involved. Apparently the staff here has been talking about it for years, so hopefully if I get it off the ground during my year of service, they will find me indispensible and *have* to hire me.

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    We're running a bit over, but I would like to address a few more questions in the queue if our guests have the time.

Question from Anonymous:
    For someone who works the back-end of Development, such as managing targeted outreach, data analysis, forecasting, etc, what kind of roles to this end are young professionals filling?

Allison Jones:
    Marketing and financing are the two fields that come to mind. In larger nonprofits you may find that finances is a separate department all on its own and would benefit greatly from your skills. Marketing as well.

Comment from Nicole, Minneapolis Nonprofit:
    Correction: The Op-Ed Project's website is www.theopedproject.org

Question from D@small nonprofit:
    How can young nonprofit employees assert themselves as leaders, when the current leadership in their organization is intimidated by them as a professional?

Rosetta Thurman:
    Don't be afraid to go outside your organization! Find your own mentor to help you, don't ask your boss to find you a mentor. Make a list of all the folks you admire and contact them. You will likely find 3-5 mentors you can touch base with periodically to pick their brain about their career journeys or to get advice about your own climb up the ladder. I'd suggest you not restrict yourself to mentors within your own organization, and in fact encourage you to actively look outside of your organization and even outside of your field to get exposed to diverse experiences and perspectives. You can also be sure that mentors outside your boss' network will keep your concerns in confidence.

Allison Jones:
    @Jamie Helsen Thats great to hear! Bringing something that the organization has been wanting is a great way to get yourself out there while developing tangible leadership skills. Move forward!

Question from Rhesa Jenkins - social investment :
    Erica Williams cited a stat at SOBU on youth voting, indicating youth engaged skewed heavily toward youth in higher education. Do you see the same skewing in youth engagement in non-profit management? Or, are non-profits proving to be an alternative channel for employment for the populations they most often serve.

Rosetta Thurman:
    I'm not sure that stat translates into the nonprofit sector, though it would be nice. A lot of groups are, however, starting to engage youth more with their technology efforts, which hopefully might lead to organizations being more open to hiring younger workers.

Question from Ann Marie, graduate student:
    Do you recommend interning? It is a requirement is my graduate school program, and I learn a lot, but often interns can suffer from the problems associate with relative youth and perceived inexperience. In this job market, another internship could very well be in my future as I build a resume.

Allison Jones:
    I recommend internships and fellowships, but just as you wouldnt take any old job dont take any old internship! Be selective, map out what you want to accomplish, and think about the kind of supervisor you would like to have. When interviewing as questions like "what are some pressing issues I could address as an intern" to show your willingness to dive in. Ask about previous interns. Remember, it's YOUR time, you deserve to have a decent experience.

Rosetta Thurman:
    @Nicole - thanks for the correct Op-Ed project website. They're awesome.

www.theopedproject.orgTo respond to your question about our respective blogs, blogging is the very BEST thing I've ever done for my career. My advice would be to start blogging about your passion, and you never know what will happen. I couldn't have planned it if I tried. Blogging has led to consulting, speaking engagements, and my part-time job as a professor. And my older colleagues SEE me and respect my opinion. I'm also perceived as more valuable now to the organization I currently work for. Jump in, the blogging water is so nice :)

Question from Joanna, Neighborhood Organization:
    I am fairly new to the non-profit world and have not been out of school for long. I have a job with a great deal of flexibility, which allows me to design projects, apply for grants, work with immigrant communities, youth communities, etc. I have the opportunity to really design my work and am wondering what sort of skills I should focus on building during my time with my organization to make myself a more marketable candidate in the future?

Allison Jones:
    Writing--anyone in development must be a great writer; analysis--being able to synthesize information and take action accordingly; communication and collaboration--being able to work well with others and produce amazing results. Additionally, what career path do you envision? What does your ideal job look like? Answering these questions will push you to refine what skills are necessary for acquiring those positions.

Question from Aubrey Dickerson, Appalachian Forest Heritage Area:
    With the recent downturn in the economy, and everyone scrambling to stay employed, and for non-profits: to stay funded, is there any silver lining in the recent stimulus plan? If so, what would be the best way to be eligible for those funds?

Rosetta Thurman:
    I'm not clear yet on the specific options available in the stimulus bill, but what I do think is that in this new economy, it's more important than ever to show impact. Everyone in the organization has to know that and be able to speak to that. And it is now EVERYONE's job to fundraise. If you're a young professional with that skill, use this opportunity to help train your older colleagues!

Question from Lynn Peters, looking for a job in nonprofit:
    I have a background in working with the community, event planning, and education. I am looking for a job in nonprofits in nyc. I was wondering if anyone knows of any openings in working with volunteers, schools, communities, or planning events? I currently hold a masters in elementary education and working with students with disabilities.

Allison Jones:
    Sounds like you want to do it all! I recommend checking out idealist.org and Foundation Center Jobs http://foundationcenter.org/pnd/jobs/ to see whats open. Also, I see tons of job offerings on LinkedIn.com Your best bet, though, is to tap into your network--any alumni in NYC? Let them know you are in the market for a new career!

Question from Joanna Micek, MPA candidate at the Robert F. Wagner School of Public Service (NYU):
    I've been thinking a lot about creating a win-win proposition for the younger nonprofit workers and those that we hope to succeed. What are your thoughs on collaborative partnerships where the older nonprofit workers could slowly transition out while brining the younger ones up to speed? What is this took a year or two? Or what if the seasoned nonprofit leaders on the verge of retirement voluntarily stepped out of the positions into those with lower salaries and smaller titles? Yes, it would upset the hierarchical structure of the sector but maybe its time for that to happen.

Rosetta Thurman:
    This kind of program would be great for the sector. We need more cross-generational opportunities for sharing knowledge. Hierarchy is unique to each nonprofit, but if there were concrete opportunities to bring both groups together not to gripe, but to share that would be a good first step/ We already have existing organizations that might be good partners for this kind of thing: the organization that developed the Purpose Prize for leaders over 60 http://www.purposeprize.org

Question from Joshua Case, Neighborhood Christian Legal Clinic:
    Are there any blogs you could recommend that one could easily link to your companies webstie? We have wanted to start a blog for a while but what is the easiest way to do so?"

Allison Jones:
    Beth.typepad.com offers amazing tangible advice for nonprofits who want to jump into blogging. I recommend starting there. If you want your blog to be linked, you have to create "killer content" that people would want to link to.

Question from L, small nonprofit:
    Any last minute advice for managing time and not feeling too overwhelmed after taking on big projects to gain more responsibility?

Rosetta Thurman:
    Whew! this is a really important one. I suggest that everyone take some time out of the day - in the morning, midday or in the evening - to be all by yourself and reflect. It has made such a difference in my life to slow down for a few moments to fee my spirit through meditation or prayer. Also reflect on whether you work brought you any joy today, and why or why not? If you have too many days where you didn't do anything that had to do with how you want to be in the world, it could be time to rethink how you spend your time.

Also try to be a positive influence on others. You may be overworked, but you don't have to complain about it to everyone who asks you how you're doing. When you radiate positive energy, it tends to spread to others around you.

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    Before we close the discussion, I wanted to pass along one question and one additional resource.

First, the question: We're going to be launching our new Web site in the coming months and one of the topics we're looking to address more effectively is our section of resources for young professionals. If you have ideas about issues we should address in that area, features we should cover, or voices we should approach as potential bloggers and contributors, please e-mail me at peter.panepento@philanthropy.com.

Now, the resource: I've created a thread in the "Young Professionals" area of our forums that will extend today's conversation. To continue talking about the issues raised here, please visit http://philanthropy.com/forums/index.php/topic,742.0.html

Thanks.

Allison Jones:
    This has been a great experience. Answering questions has pushed me to think more critically about some of the issues in the nonprofit field I see on a regular basis. I hope I was able to help some folks and thanks for allowing me to share! If you want to stay in touch feel free to visit my blog entrylevelliving.wordpress.com and send me a message!

Allison Jones:
    @Joanna Micek your idea sounds great. Please shoot me an email and lets see if we talk about collaborating ideas!

Rosetta Thurman:
    Thanks everyone! Please feel free to email me anytime after this discussion with questions or comments at: rosetta@rosettathurman.com or follow me on twitter @rosettathurman!

Peter Panepento (Moderator):
    This has been a fantastic discussion. I hope you found it useful. I'd like to thank Allison and Rosetta for taking the time to join us today and field your questions. They had to cover a wide range of topics and they did so with aplomb.

A quick reminder that we have a second live discussion this week. On Thursday at noon Eastern time, Cass Wheeler, the recently retired CEO of the American Heart Association, will take your questions.

We'll also be back at our regular time next Tuesday at noon Eastern time to discuss how nonprofit groups can effectively use online video to spread their message and to raise money.

You can access both of those discussions -- and read transcripts of all of our previous chats -- at http://philanthropy.com/live.

Thanks again.